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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dalesman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2025 at 11:10
Reading the Minimum Standards doc for Tier 2 above linked, we have to have a minimum 2000 capacity, 200 min seated, 500 minimum covered places.
Do all current Champ clubs meet this standard? Caldy, Amthill for example.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimbo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2025 at 11:58
Originally posted by Dalesman Dalesman wrote:

Reading the Minimum Standards doc for Tier 2 above linked, we have to have a minimum 2000 capacity, 200 min seated, 500 minimum covered places.
Do all current Champ clubs meet this standard? Caldy, Amthill for example.....
No they don't, but the seating and covered aspects are relatively easy to deal with with temp stands.
I'm pretty sure all have at least 2000 capacity, but stand to be corrected.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Noiseyblue Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2025 at 12:12
When Bedford recently played Ampthill over there the attendance was 2104

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2025 at 13:09
Originally posted by Dalesman Dalesman wrote:

Reading the Minimum Standards doc for Tier 2 above linked, we have to have a minimum 2000 capacity, 200 min seated, 500 minimum covered places.
Do all current Champ clubs meet this standard? Caldy, Amthill for example.....

These were the standards about 15+ years ago for full National One RFU funding of £75,000
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dalesman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2025 at 14:56
No FHLH - the document is headed "Minimum operating standards for Tier 2 2025-26"
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote FHLH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 May 2025 at 15:51
Originally posted by Dalesman Dalesman wrote:

No FHLH - the document is headed "Minimum operating standards for Tier 2 2025-26"

To qualify for full RFU funding for National One were more onerous - 500 seated. The £75,000 was split into elements which came with money. The seating requirements should come as no surprise to current Championship clubs other than those who were not at Level 3 in 2006. The only difference is the covered element 




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If the Premiership funding pot has been agreed for the next 7? years how will the expanded Prem I and Prem II be funded in the future? 

Will the newly promoted Champ side get £m and will the relegated Prem side retain parachute funding? 

Devil in the detail. 
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Not sure if this warrants its own thread, but apparently premier sports are looking to get the tv rights to champ rugby next season to go alongside Pro D2. Not sure what this would mean for Ealing’s (and Pirates) plan to stream all their games next season. 
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Originally posted by Bluesman11 Bluesman11 wrote:

Not sure if this warrants its own thread, but apparently premier sports are looking to get the tv rights to champ rugby next season to go alongside Pro D2. Not sure what this would mean for Ealing’s (and Pirates) plan to stream all their games next season. 


Do premier sports have ProD2, I thought it was being streamed on a YouTube channel related to eggchasers from next season 
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Premier Sports do not have the rights to ProD2 in the UK, which is held by the FR-UK YouTube channel (with Tim c.o.c.k.e.r of the Eggchasers Podcast and formerly BT Sports) but may have them in Ireland?

They do have a wide range of rugby now including URC, Top 14, Japanese League One and US Major League Rugby along with the EPRC Champions and Challenge Cups. 

If it's cheap enough (and from the Worcester forum report it's clear there's no real competition with no deal in place yet) I could see it happening - but would it mean a move from Saturday games for the Champ? Clearly URC and seemingly Top 14 would be prioritised on non-European Weekends, and there's not much point paying for rights to a 2nd/3rd Choice game on a Saturday afternoon when you already have two of the top domestic rugby leagues.


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Still lots of people referring to "Prem 2/ Prem II" - in spite of any notion of a French-style joined-up two-tier system having dropped off the agenda recently.

The top tier continues to make noises about expanding via a franchise system, and keeps the minimum standards in place, while the second tier has confirmed it's rebranding and expanding.

I'd argue the end of the 24/25 season this week might be the occasion to discontinue the misleading references to Prem 2...
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Originally posted by islander islander wrote:

Still lots of people referring to "Prem 2/ Prem II" - in spite of any notion of a French-style joined-up two-tier system having dropped off the agenda recently.

The top tier continues to make noises about expanding via a franchise system, and keeps the minimum standards in place, while the second tier has confirmed it's rebranding and expanding.

I'd argue the end of the 24/25 season this week might be the occasion to discontinue the misleading references to Prem 2...

Interesting to me that the head of the Champ board is part of French rugby and has helped introduce a season structure identical to Pro D2, but the next level up has ignored it almost completely. I would argue that a clever/competent RFU exec would cut the prem adrift and quit subsidising 10 franchises thay have nothing to do with the rest of the rugby in the country.
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Agree with islanders, like it or not it’s Champ Rugby.

And while we’re on the subject of names, I still don’t understand the use of “franchise” re. Premiership future development.

A ringfenced, invitation only (subject to conditions) league is not a franchise. Even if RFU/PRL supply extra start up money to tempt clubs in, it’s not a franchise.

“A franchise is a type of license that grants a franchisee access to a franchisor's proprietary business knowledge, processes, and trademarks, thus allowing the franchisee to sell a product or service under the franchisor's business name.”

McDonald’s and Subway are a franchise. Premiership clubs will want far more freedom and control over what they do and how they do it.

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Originally posted by TeflonTed TeflonTed wrote:

Agree with islanders, like it or not it’s Champ Rugby.

And while we’re on the subject of names, I still don’t understand the use of “franchise” re. Premiership future development.

A ringfenced, invitation only (subject to conditions) league is not a franchise. Even if RFU/PRL supply extra start up money to tempt clubs in, it’s not a franchise.

“A franchise is a type of license that grants a franchisee access to a franchisor's proprietary business knowledge, processes, and trademarks, thus allowing the franchisee to sell a product or service under the franchisor's business name.”

McDonald’s and Subway are a franchise. Premiership clubs will want far more freedom and control over what they do and how they do it.


...and your point makes Bill Sweeney a rube for continuing to fund the PRL clubs. If they were all working together for the common good of the league, then you might say it made sense to fund them on the premises that a rising tide lifts all boats. But you are right that they all want to do their own thing; hence you have clubs that under invest, and others that go all out. The only thing they can agree on is that they want to avoid relegation.
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