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dawson9 ![]() Mini and Juniors ![]() Joined: 14 May 2025 Location: Essex Status: Offline Points: 8 |
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Big chief - my mistake- was highest points scored in the championship not finish! Completely misread that on the LS post about it!
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FHLH ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Cambridge Joined: 19 Apr 2009 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 5608 |
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As my old friend, Eric Morecombe, would say: “What do you think
of the show so far?” As for my club, Cambridge, might say: “Rubbish!!” Earlier
this year, a contributor suggested we should spend more money on players, but as
Mr Micawber would say: “Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure
nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual
expenditure twenty-pound ought and six, result misery.” That’s enough literature.
It has been a challenging season for Cambridge, their victory over Pirates gave me hope but it was not to be, perhaps the Augean Stables clear out will improve the situation. Most of the recent National One promotion teams are in the bottom half of the table with the exception of Hartpury (2016/17) who have nudged Nottingham into the lower half this season. In my opinion, there have been two key over achievers – newbies Chinnor and one of rugby’s stalwarts, Bedford. Budge Rodgers and my former schoolmaster, Pat Briggs, must be delighted. Chinnor’s success and Cambridge & Caldy’s comparative failures are a discussion point – funding, coaching, desire to succeed? Nottingham must be looking at their peformance with a similar view - what happened?g down into NationalOne, Rams and Rosslyn Park have had repeated attempts to make the jump but to fall of in the final weeks. Let’s not forget a selection of movers and shakers from prior years who were top of the National One table. Coventry promotion 2017/18, Birmingham & Solihill 2009/10 (ceased trading), London Welsh 2010/11 (ceased trading), Jersey 2011/12 (ceased trading), Ealing 2012/13, Doncaster 2013/14, Richmond 2014/15, 2019/20 & 2024/25, London Irish 2015/16 (only team to go on to the Premiership, but then ceased trading). Independent financial success and rugby are not good bed partners. Looking at the 2024/25 table, it's almost as it you could split Prem II in two: Prem - IIa (professional) and IIb (semi pro) – one half of the season within IIa and IIb and two teams promoted/relegated within those mini leagues at Christmas - but that's another story. Edited by FHLH - 16 hours 14 minutes ago at 17:34 |
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Se7en ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 2023 Location: Not given Status: Offline Points: 676 |
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FHLH, I agree with your summary, and particularly your last paragraph regarding the notion of splitting the fully professional and semi-professional clubs, albeit a logistical headache. It is interesting to hear the views of a Cambridge supporter on this matter.
I hope that Chinnor can repeat this season's impressive efforts and even improve on them as I remember that Caldy had a stronger first season in tier 2 following their promotion but have yet to replicate or improve on this and have stagnated since. Cambridge have in reality not found any discernable rhythm or consistency since their promotion. With Worcester Warriors currently compiling an incredibly talented and experienced squad, I believe that the gulf in standards across the league will only increase next season.
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Kimbo ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 31 May 2007 Location: 'incleh Status: Offline Points: 6660 |
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Indeed
It will be interesting to watch the moneyed-two fighting it out at the top. I wonder if both will be in a position to make the step up. I suspect the RFU will hope not.
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islander ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Location: jersey Status: Offline Points: 7885 |
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Interesting analysis FHLH... altho' I'm certain London Irish never played in Nat 1
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fatbear ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2013 Location: Thame Status: Offline Points: 3066 |
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Richmond won Nat1 in 2015/16 not London Irish. Ealing won 2014/15 not Richmond !
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backrowb ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 07 Nov 2013 Location: Gods own county Status: Offline Points: 1689 |
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Failure by Caldy and Cambridge?
2 clubs that run multiple teams and age groups and compete in the Championship. Hats off to them and Chinnor I say. Incredible achievements, and bring youngsters to the game.
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Mark W-J ![]() Coaching staff ![]() ![]() Joined: 22 May 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 3755 |
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And London Welsh certainly didn't win Nat1 in 2010-11!
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Se7en ![]() World Cup Winner ![]() Joined: 18 Apr 2023 Location: Not given Status: Offline Points: 676 |
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From what I understood FHLH was highlighting the 'comparitive' failure of Cambridge and Caldy to Chinnor, three clubs of very similar resources, playing pool, reliance on DR, journey through the leagues to tier 2 etc, rather than saying that Cambridge and Caldy were outright failures. No one doubts their achievements as (dreaded word) 'Community' clubs with minis, juniors etc, but rather their evident struggles at 1 XV level when trying to keep their heads above water against the more professional clubs in the league. This feeds back into what FHLH was summarising about some sides perhaps being better off in a league made up solely of semi-professional sides. With that in mind, it will be interesting to see if Chinnor can kick on next season and become an established semi-pro tier 2 club like some others have managed to. Nick Easter has certainly brought a more all round professional air to Chinnor since his arrival, and they have reaped the benefits of this.
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