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The Blues 
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 Posted: 15 hours 59 minutes ago at 00:16 |
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Blues used 44 players in total. Surprised it was that many but in the BIC we did have some extra Saints.
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Big Eddie
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Posted: 7 hours 16 minutes ago at 08:59 |
Se7en, Caldy arrived in the Championship through the same rugby model that it has now. As a club it never pushed to be a full time professional club, why would it aspire to that. Professional rugby doesn't work in the UK as 10 technically insolvent Premiership clubs attest to that. Technically insolvent in the sense that all 10 premiership clubs lose money, virtually all of them have balance sheets where liabilities exceed assets (and that is after listing their investment in P shares at a whopping £17m!!) and they are only kept afloat by the largesse of the RFU and by their owners who are all probably desperate for some sort of exit. Over lunch last Saturday the President of the RFU set out for me and the other guests on our table the vision that new US Investors could buy in to the franchise model take out CVC and everything would be onwards and upwards for rugby in England. I don't buy in to this 'theory' at all. When every business in a sector is making a loss the sector is a basket case. With the concussion class action also hanging over rugby it will take a very brave private equity player to bankroll a franchise model in English rugby with the many hundreds more millions that would take. CVC take 27% off the top for their previous investment of a few hundred million which probably gives them a workable yield but I cannot see the exit for them other than another private equity house taking them out. I liked rugby as it was and I like how Caldy go about things, I have no interest in professional rugby and the Premiership's broken cartel. Perhaps this makes me a dinosaur
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Big Eddie
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Posted: 6 hours 41 minutes ago at 09:34 |
Ollie, I think entrance cost bought in advance online is £15 for adults and numerous concessions for children, under 18s, OAPs and others and after you take out the Vat what comes in will be very substantially less than £20 per head (which is the walk up price at the entrance) Where does the money go? I am not privy to the finances but I can hazard an educated guess along the following lines. 1.Match day medical requirements for Championship rugby (Ambulance, doctors, paramedics) £65k+ pa 2. Insurances (the RFU doesn't foot this cost for Championship clubs) circa £50k pa 3. Travel costs including at least one overnight stay (Cornwall, Newcastle (Prem CUP) London, Oxford etc)probably £50k+ pa 4. Other cost - Pitch maintenance (seed, fertilizer, equipment etc ) £xxk pa - Senior squad kit £xxk pa - Other playing supplies balls, training aids etc £xk pa - Stewarding on match days £xxk pa - Physio and support staff £xxk pa - Match fees for 1st xv players £xxk - Coaching and support staff £xxk - Sundry other costs £xk pa The first three costs alone (which I am pretty sure are in the right ball park and may be an underestimate ) are north of £165k pa. Clubs lower down the pyramid won't necessarily have these first 3 costs. Playing in the Championship is an expensive business, the RFU provide circa £100k pa to Championship clubs but this is more than swallowed up by points 1,2 and 3 Other posters will probably have a better idea then me of the full costs of running a team in the Championship
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JZSmith
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Joined: 27 Aug 2024 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 284 |
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Posted: 4 hours 19 minutes ago at 11:56 |
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It would be interesting to grade rugby clubs on the likelihood of them still being in existence and still giving enjoyment (the purpose of sport in my opinion) in ten years time.
I'd give Caldy an A+ which is a lot higher than I'd grade the majority of the other 23 so-called professionally run clubs at the top level.
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TeflonTed
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Joined: 13 Apr 2025 Location: Worcs Status: Offline Points: 43 |
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Posted: 2 hours 45 minutes ago at 13:30 |
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Very interesting and informative thread, which I have been following (from Wuss) with interest. Knowing very little about most of the Championship clubs I’ve been trying to do my homework, and this thread has really helped.
As Se7en said a couple of days ago, the recruitment at Wuss (being tediously revealed day by day on social media) has been surprising to say the least. The squad is looking stronger than most of us expected, and from some inside chat we believe the facilities at Sixways have as much to do with attracting players as any over-inflated salaries. Our new owner insists that the rugby side of the business must pay for itself. ST sales are now over 3,500 and the big east stand hospitality boxes are all sold. We have not been told the budget, obviously, but there’s clearly enough to fund a side that should hold its own towards the top of the table. We hope and expect to contribute some numbers to away games, and we hope to welcome some new friends to Sixways. We do realise there are those who disagree with our relaunch at this level, their frustrations are understood. But that’s for the RFU and owners to worry about, as long serving supporters we just want some rugby. I hope in 12 months time I’ll be back here arguing for at least a B+ for WWs. |
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TeflonTed, 2 miles from Sixways
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Camquin
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Posted: 2 hours 30 minutes ago at 13:45 |
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3,000 season tickets, plus walk up sales, will certainly give you the largest crowds in the league. It should mean one of the larger playing budgets. But, that will depend on how much the stadium costs to run, and how much of that the rugby teams has to pay for. And by how much owners top up the budget at other clubs. We will know how good the side iis, this time next year. |
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TeflonTed
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Thanks Camquin, it’s 3,500!
As for the stadium, it has to pay for itself. There are already businesses renting space on site, and regular events in the function rooms, and we have Worcester City FC as 5 year tenants as well. Stadium events are planned too. Holland has made it clear he isn’t a sugar daddy, (he doesn’t have the resources anyway) the seed funding is local, and things have just got to pay for themselves, or at least get very close to doing so. The stadium and 48 surrounding acres are a resource that has to be made to work.
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