Final League Placings
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Topic: Final League Placings
Posted By: Pirate Pig
Subject: Final League Placings
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 10:41
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The RFU have released the following statement regarding the final placings for the Championship and all levels below tier 2.
The final leagues are not going to be available for viewing until 6pm tomorrow evening which seems a very strange time. Call me cynical but the timing suggests that they are expecting a 'backlash' from a number of very unhappy clubs. RFU Statement; "It was agreed that final standings for the Greene King IPA Championship and men’s and women’s community game would be calculated on a best playing record formula maintaining promotion and relegation for those leagues. The Tyrrells Premier 15s season has been declared null and void as there is no promotion or relegation in this league. RFU President, Peter Wheeler, said: “We believe that the decisions made provide fair and balanced outcomes for the game and maintain the integrity of the competitions. We have listened to recommendations from the heart of the game and the approach has been ratified by the RFU Council. “This has been a difficult decision to make in the most unprecedented of circumstances. There is no single solution that will suit every club, but the approach taken is one that we believe best reflects the nature of league rugby in England. “With 80% of the season complete for the community game, we believe our approach is fair and the right one for our leagues. We have clubs that are clear league leaders and those who have said they would benefit from relegation to play more meaningful rugby.” Final league tables will be available on http://www.EnglandRugby.com" rel="nofollow - www.EnglandRugby.com by 6pm, Friday 3 April. |
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Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 11:07
| Help. What, please, is a "...best playing record formula..." |
Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 11:09
| Second bite, please. Does this mean that Leeds disappear into oblivion? |
Posted By: Blutarsky
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 11:12
Just relegated one level. I believe this means average points per game is used.
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isleonian wrote:Posted By: Cannon
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 11:23
But they won't tell us how it works!! lol ------------- Rucks and mauls may bust my balls, but whips and chains excite me!! |
Posted By: billesleyexile
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 11:35
Not long to wait I suppose but with a bit of help from others I read it the other way as they are *not* going to Duckworth Lewis future fixtures this time but rather just stick average points per match onto each club's totals. As I say, not long to find out... ------------- keep the faith |
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 11:56
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Presumably points difference average? ------------- pappashanga |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 12:20
Not long to wait? Why, though? I'm sure they know already. Surely they're not expecting a s41tstorm and have delayed it so they can sit there with their fingers in their ears over the weekend? Surely? ------------- Our Club |
Posted By: Bill Sley
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 12:25
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My thoughts exactly Kimbo - if a decision has been made, then announce it! The only poss reason I can imagine is that they're waiting for 6pm when they think the lawyers will have gone home for the weekend.....haven't they heard they're already at home and have a digitised writ generation app available 24x7? |
Posted By: hrplaneman
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 12:36
| Leeds website is showing an interview with Phil Davies saying they have been relegated and that next season they will be playing under a new name. Wonder what happens academy wise? |
Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 12:39
| Hopefully it will result in huge High Court claims and counter-claims Then we can put all the law firms in a hat and ask the RFU to produce a league table? |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 12:51
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These are the 'workings' I've seen: The average number of points (including Bonus Points) gained for all ‘Home’ games played up to 16th March was calculated. This amount will be added to the Club’s points total for each outstanding ‘Home’ game. The average number of points (including Bonus Points) gained for all ‘Away’ games played up to 16th March was calculated. This amount will be further added to the Club’s points total for each outstanding ‘Away’ game. The standings aren't actually affected as i understand it, other than LS (currently 10th) are set to leapfrog Donny (currently 9th). Falcons promoted, Carnegie relegated, I assume 'Mond' coming up but that last one isn't confirmed... |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 13:01
I think the academy is the least of their problems. 1 Will they exist without any RFU money to bail them out? 2 where will they play if they do exist? 3 will all contracts be honoured this season or another CVA? 4 what are they going to call themselves next year? For what it's worth, my opinion on the Academy - it should move to Doncaster ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Bill Sley
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 13:10
Is that the same as "table stands 'as is' unless you've not had chance to replay a game postponed"? |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 13:13
No it is average points for all unplaced games then work out the table (same as current table unless teams have outstanding cancelled games) There is no way any postponed games are going to be played - the season has been over for weeks ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: Bill Sley
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 13:22
Thanks - I've not heard the expression 'unplaced games' before, so not sure I'm any the wiser. Ref postponed games - I was referring to games that were postponed (originally....then subsequently cancelled). |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 13:48
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Bill - sorry, but you've made this unnecessarily complicated IMHO. No major* changes to tables, but yes in some cases teams may move up or down a place or two as a result of the uneven number of games played. R999 meant to type 'unplayed' rather than 'unplaced'... The updated table now on Twitter, can't post here right now, but includes (P) and (R) next to the 1st and 12th-placed sides. Well done Falcons & good luck Leeds, as it seems you are now to be called again... My 'no major' comment refers to GKIPAC - there will no doubt be cases where promotion or relegation issues are decided in this way. My home club in London/SE may be relegated as a result of team below having had an unexpected BP win in a rearranged game on the Saturday before shutdown that bumped them up a place... them's the breaks
 but I believe it remains the best/fairest solution. A game of rugby is deemed 'complete' if it has to be abandoned for unforseen reasons after 'three-quarter time' (60 min) so believe the same approach for the season is the correct call... |
Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 15:09
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It's an almost impossible call. Call the season null and void and it is grossly unfair on the team at the top (in this case Falcons) and disproportionately 'fair' to the team at the bottom (YC). So, what other choices are there?...Possibly delay the end of this season and the start of next? What does that then mean for contracts and players changing clubs? This has to be the only option. Islander is right, the real problems lay below the Championship. Some seriously bitter pills there. Football I know, but Jersey Bulls had won 100% of their games this season and the weekend before everything stopped they had secured promotion. They have now been told that the season is null & void!!...ouch! 
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Posted By: dropout22
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 15:10
Academy is not run by them anymore - renamed the Yorkshire rugby academy, basically as a representative of the catchment area. Believe Leeds Beckett are taking it over from what I heard. |
Posted By: dunc999
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 15:26
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Final table is here... https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/7d/7def4b5e-4588-4692-9c26-fb7a120cec3a/CHAMP%20-%20FINAL%20LEAGUE%20STANDINGS%202019-20.pdf" rel="nofollow - https://www.englandrugby.com/dxdam/7d/7def4b5e-4588-4692-9c26-fb7a120cec3a/CHAMP%20-%20FINAL%20LEAGUE%20STANDINGS%202019-20.pdf |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 15:33
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Interesting to see we had a 5 point deduction for an unregistered agent after the season ended...... ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 16:26
Difficult but not IMHO not impossible nor almost impossible. There certainly isn't a perfect solution, but I think this was the least-worst. Our Island neighbours waiting anxiously - Guernsey ranked top of LSE Prem on pts difference ahead of Rochford. Both had 98 pts, Wimbledon on 95 all having played the same number of games. Winners goes up, 2nd faces a PO (presunably a virtual PO) against equivalent SW team...
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Posted By: Cherub
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 16:31
| When the season was declared over, Ampthill had 40 points in the bag. The RFU have now taken their long hard look at the situation, sat round a table, had a think, probably had another meeting, and then announced that Ampthill have now finished with 58.34 points. Wonderful, but can someone explain to me how you get .34 of a point? |
Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 16:53
| castleparknight, that seems a huge shame in all that is happening, do you know the detail?. |
Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 16:54
It occurs because you are multiplying the average points scored in the home and away fixture already played against the home and away fixtures left and adding the resultant figure to points already gained |
Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 16:55
| Hope loads litigation ensues! |
Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 16:58
| Is anyone arranging a 'virtual' farewell bash for Leeds? |
Posted By: Robb
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 17:26
As much as I'd love Guernsey to stay in N3, it probably won't go that way because Maidenhead in SW have 7 losses so 2nd in LSE is essentially guaranteed promotion (according to my understanding)
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Posted By: kingsheathlad
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 17:29
That would delay the start of the next season and fixture list me thinks. ------------- Cauliflower ear. |
Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 18:14
All the other championship sides and Richmond, possibly ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 18:15
why would you wish for that isleonian? either 'cos you're a lawyer, or someone else who revels in the misfortune of others...?
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Posted By: Richard Lowther
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 18:18
Why? Does your club have the money, time and inclination to contest a decision that ultimately came about of no ones making? No system chosen will be fair, but as long as the system chosen is applied fairly then I can't see any reason for anyone to dispute the decision. There will be winners, there will be losers, but as this is a sport that is how it should be. ------------- Moderator http://www.leaguerugby.co.uk" rel="nofollow - National League Rugby Message Boards Remember Wakefield RFC |
Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 18:40
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Richard Lowther et al, please be totally and utterly assured that mine was no more than a general wish and wholly unattributable to any particular or specific club. It's just that litigation can bring out so many facts and such information and could fill back pages of newspapers at a time when here is no active sport for comment and debate there! Hey ho!
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Posted By: knightandday
Date Posted: 02 Apr 2020 at 18:41
Or, they're a elderberry. Richard Edward for the fruit filter
------------- Winning isn't everything, it just makes the beer taste better |
Posted By: Brizzer
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 16:02
You ended up a little close to the drop zone there CPK  
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Posted By: TAS63
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 18:13
| Welcome back Richmond..... |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 18:41
hear-hear!
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Posted By: Rothman2
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 20:49
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 03 Apr 2020 at 21:55
The mighty Mond! Lots of Derby games next year in London.
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Posted By: The Tykester
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 09:53
We are delighted to be playing at any level next season and dropping that silly "Yorkshire" handle. Lots of positivity in Leeds at the moment.   |
Posted By: Pappashanga
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 10:18
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The time in N1 was really good for Richmond. We’d lost a lot of stalwarts and had a lot of newcomers. We played some excellent teams and also some weaker ones. In the Championship there were no weak teams and in N1 we had the freedom to play more expansively. I’m hoping that this time we’ll do better. We had by far the best defence in N1 which I attribute to the Championship experience. Looking forward to all those derby games. Commiserations to Rosslyn Park who could play really well but weren’t quite consistent enough. ------------- pappashanga |
Posted By: stadium
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 10:31
| Congratulations Richmond. Proper Rugby Club and excellent ground and facilities. |
Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 10:52
| Welcome back, looking forward to another trip to the RAG. |
Posted By: barbelhunter
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 11:33
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Pre match lunch and banter at the RAG, one of my favourite away days.Welcome back. |
Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 12:13
| Yorkshire being renamed Leeds? I would rather have the club named Headingley and Roundhay - or vice-versa. Just a thought. |
Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 12:50
| Particularly when 'they' drop below West Leeds and lots of other Leeds sides? |
Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 12:51
| PS: what about the Yorkshire Regiment Cup 2019/20? |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 18:32
The YRC should be seconded to Nat 2N, which will have no fewer than 7 White Rose participants next season...
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Posted By: knightandday
Date Posted: 04 Apr 2020 at 20:18
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Except it was set up for Championship clubs iirc ------------- Winning isn't everything, it just makes the beer taste better |
Posted By: WINGER14
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 01:27
| With only one Yorkshire Club in the Championship and National League One next season, I'd love to see the 7 Yorkshire Clubs in Div 2N compete for this Trophy. With 7 Clubs it would keep interest throughout the season, and possibly not decided until the last round of games. |
Posted By: Capt Sparrow
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 11:42
Can't think why Stalwart, we always bleddy lose at the RAG
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Posted By: Raider999
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 12:12
Perhaps they could use league results between these sides to form a mini-league for the Cup - the leaders could then host Donny at the end of the season for the cup final. That way you won't do a draw then find most teams concede the match. ------------- RAID ON |
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 12:47
That's how it was done Raider, not a separate comp, just based on league games between the Yorkshire clubs.
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Posted By: isleonian
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 13:04
| Wonder what the Yorkshire Regiment's own side is like? |
Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 13:14
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Surely Doncaster win the Cup by default. Headingley and Roundhay win the Plate assuming they complete the season And the rest can play for the shield. Even if it is not formally offered, those bragging rights will be important. ------------- Sweeney Delenda Est |
Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 13:50
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Fortunately not close enough ------------- Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny! |
Posted By: Yogi
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 14:04
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Isleonian. Where did you get the 'Yorkshire Regiment Cup' from? This is the first I have heard of it but as a former military man I would be interested in knowing more. ------------- What's with you Boo-Boo |
Posted By: Moseley Mauler
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 14:16
| Er, guys. Can you set up your own Yorkshire Cup thread please? |
Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 16:48
In that case, congrats on retaining it!
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Posted By: Stalwart
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2020 at 18:21
Yes, we don't have a great record there admittedly - but I just like the ambience at the RAG.
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