Round 6 Matches and Predictions
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Topic: Round 6 Matches and Predictions
Posted By: castleparknight
Subject: Round 6 Matches and Predictions
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 06:50
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Nottingham vs Cambridge
Caldy vs Bedford
London Scottish vs Ealing
Coventry vs Hartpury
Ampthill – Bye
Cornish Pirates vs Doncaster Knights
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 06:53
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Nottingham 5 vs Cambridge 1
Caldy 4 vs Bedford 1
London Scottish 0 vs Ealing 5
Coventry 5 vs Hartpury 1
Ampthill – Bye
Cornish Pirates 4 vs Doncaster Knights 1
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Posted By: *Stalwart
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 09:40
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Nottingham 5 vs Cambridge 0 Caldy 1 vs Bedford 4 London Scottish 0 vs Ealing 5 Coventry 5 vs Hartpury 0 Cornish Pirates 4 vs Doncaster Knights 1
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Posted By: AnIdiotAbroad
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 10:31
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Nottingham 5 vs 0 Cambridge Caldy 0 vs 5 Bedford London Scottish 0 vs 5 Ealing Coventry 5 vs Hartpury 0 Ampthill – Bye Cornish Pirates 5 vs 0 Doncaster Knights
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Posted By: Paul10
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 10:40
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Nottingham 5 vs 0 Cambridge Caldy 0 vs 5 Bedford London Scottish 0 vs 5 Ealing Coventry 5 vs Hartpury 0 Ampthill – Bye Cornish Pirates 5 vs 0 Doncaster Knights
All home wins except Bedford and Ealing.
But best of luck to Caldy and Scottish.
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Posted By: greenpower
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 12:35
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nottingham 5 0 cambridge caldy 0 5 bedford scottish 0 5 ealing coventry 5 0 hartpury pirates 5 0 doncaster
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Posted By: Old Gold
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 13:03
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Nottingham 5 - 0 Cambridge Caldy 2 - 5 Bedford London Scottish 0 - 5 Ealing Coventry 5 - 2 Hartpury Cornish Pirates 5 - 2 Doncaster Knights
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Posted By: BigChief
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2023 at 15:09
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Nottingham 5 - 0 Cambridge
Caldy 1 - 5 Bedford
London Scottish 0 - 5 Ealing
Coventry 5 - 0 Hartpury
Cornish Pirates 4 - 1 Doncaster Knights
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Posted By: Cherub
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2023 at 12:01
Nottingham 5-0 Cambridge. Home advantage should be too much for the newbies.
Caldy 2-5 Bedford. Probably the most watchable game of the day. Bedford should claim the win but let's see what they are made of.
L Scottish 0-5 Ealing. An away banker whatever team the Scottish field.
Coventry 5-0 Hartpury. Close at half time but Coventry winning the second half hands down.
Pirates 5-0 Knights. The Pirates are playing well and going by results the Knights' form has dipped.
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Posted By: Donnyknightfan
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2023 at 19:19
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Predictions: Nottingham 5 - 0 Cambridge Caldy 5 - 2 Bedford London Scottish 0 - 5 Ealing Coventry 5 - 0 Hartpury Cornish Pirates 5 - 1 Doncaster
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Donny Knights - best team in Yorkshire
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Posted By: All the Way
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2023 at 19:29
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Nottingham 5 - 0 Cambridge
Caldy 1 - 5 Bedford London Scottish 0 - 5 Ealing Coventry 5 - 0 Hartpury Cornish Pirates 4 - 1 Doncaster
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Posted By: Cricks at 2
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 12:38
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Not sure that the Caldy v Blues will be on. The met office shows -6 early morning on the Wirral. Any news Big Eddie?
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 13:10
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3 Saints start and 2 on the bench with a 6-2 split against Caldy.
Bedford Blues starting XV: 15. Matt Worley, 14. Sean French, 13. Jordan Venter, 12. Michael Le Bourgeois, 11. Dean Adamson, 10. Will Maisey, 9. Archie McParland (S); 1. Joey Conway, 2. James Fish (C), 3. Oisin Heffernan, 4. Robin Williams, 5. Tom Lockett (S), 6. Joe Howard, 7. Henry Pollock (S), 8. Cameron King Bedford Blues Replacements: 16. Craig Wright (S), 17. Jamie Jack, 18. Bryan O’Connor, 19. Jordan Onojaife, 20. Kayde Sylvester (S), 21. Kieran Curran, 22. Alex Day, 23. Louis Grimoldby |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 13:50
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Coventry: Mitchell; Hutler, Rigg, Betteridge, Opoku; Pellegrini, Chudley; Chilvers, Poole, Salt; Tyas, Anstey; Ball, Kvesic, Bartlett. Replacements: Stewart, Cordwell, Nairau, Nkwocha, Ryan, Lane, Wand, James. Quite a few changes there.
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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 13:59
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Caldy's Pitch has full sunlight , after yesterday's Frost it Thawed, Again today full sun pitch thawing again. There will be another frost tonight but sun again forecast so it will be touch and go, The problem is that the next blank day is next Saturday 9th.
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 14:12
Here is your Doncaster Knights team for their away, Round 6, Championship Rugby clash against the Cornish Pirates. 1 DAVIDSON
2.ROBERTS
3.THIEDE
4.BROWN
5.EHIZODE
6.WILSON
7.SMEATON
8.DIGBY (C)
9.DOLLY
10.BENNETT
11.HOLDEN
12.BEDLOW [season loan from Sale]
13.MARGETTS
14.SIMPSON
15.MCBRYDE REPLACEMENTS
16. FLETCHER
17. COURTNEY
18. BARRETT
19. HOPKINSON
20. TAIT
21. MINTERN
22. FOX
23. METCALF #16 Ollie Fletcher is a Hooker on loan from Newcastle to cover injury within the forwards |
Posted By: Mickyboy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 14:13
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Have spoken to the Club today same weather forecast for next 24 hours as previous one. Pitch was playable at 11 this morning inspection at Midday tomorrow
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Posted By: Cricks at 2
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 15:43
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Thanks Workerbee and Micky Boy. We have two coaches going, setting out at 07:30, so with stop we should get there in time for the pitch inspection. Hope that is not the only action we get to see.
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 15:54
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Ealing Trailfinders lineup to face London Scottish: Stronger side than I would have expected. Cornish gets his 100th cap if he comes on. 1 Will Goodrick-Clarke 2 Mike Willemse 3 Biyi Alo 4 Barney Maddison 5 Danny Cutmore 6 Ollie Newman 7 Simon Uzokwe 8 Will Montgomery 9 Craig Hampson 10 Craig Willis 11 Tom Collins 12 Billy Twelvetrees 13 Reuben Bird-Tulloch 14 Jonah Holmes 15 Cian Kelleher 16 Matt Cornish 17 Kyle Whyte 18 Ross Kane 19 Bobby De Wee 20 David Douglas Bridge 21 Jordan Burns 22 Max Bodilly 23 Richard Hardwick
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 18:33
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Nottingham 5 vs Cambridge 0 Caldy 1 vs Bedford 4 London Scottish 0 vs Ealing 5 Coventry 5 vs Hartpury 1 Ampthill – Bye Cornish Pirates 1 vs Doncaster Knights 4
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 19:56
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 19:58
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 20:02
Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 20:04
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Notts 12 Cambridge 12
2 trys each in 12 mins
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 20:21
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Notts 17 Cambridge 12
3 trys - 2 trys
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 20:27
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Notts 17 Cambridge 19 ht
3 trys - 3 trys
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 20:57
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Nottingham (BP) 22 - 19 Cambridge
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Posted By: FHLH
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 21:35
N 22 C 19 ft
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"My father told me big men fall just as quick as little ones, if you put a sword through their hearts."
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 21:58
Did the weather change after HT? Wondered if that explained the 6:1 try split…
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 22:42
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6:1 try split?
Richie Williams and the Cambs squad will be pleased with a losing BP there...getting closer to a maiden Champ rugby win, perhaps.
They'll be eyeing up the London Scottish game as a potential 5-pointer
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Posted By: maire23
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2023 at 22:43
Good grief there were some hairy moments there. Well done Cambridge.
We’re back up to second now. Probably won’t be there long  but I can’t remember the last time we were this high up the table this point in the season. However the next 2 games- Bedford and Cov away will be very tough tests. |
Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 07:36
 Se7en wrote:
6:1 try split?
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He means six tries before the break, and only one after it.
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Our City,
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Posted By: Se7en
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 08:46
Ah I see 
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 11:02
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The weather was not especially worse, but it was freezing, so there were more knock-ons, and hence more scrums.
Both sides also tightened up in defence.
Cambridge could have kicked a penalty to draw, but went for the win - which this season was the correct thing.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 13:54
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Caldy v Blues kick off delayed 15mins
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 14:28
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Caldy v Blues abandoned
Oh no 2 coaches went from Bedford
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 14:28
Now apparently off.
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Sweeney Delenda Est
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 14:50
The Blues wrote:
Caldy v Blues abandoned
Oh no 2 coaches went from Bedford |
We have all been there Blues, gutted for Caldy and the Blues fans and team
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:08
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LS 5 Ealing 0
Cov 0 Pury 0
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:14
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LS 5 Ealing 0 Cov 7 Pury 0
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:16
Cov 7-0 Hartpury. Kvesic/Mitchell. 9 mins
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Our City,
Our Club
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:20
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LS 5 Ealing 5 Cov 7 Pury 7
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:22
Hartpury after 15 minutes. And they have their second yellow card already...
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Our City,
Our Club
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:27
Cov 12-7 Hartpury. Chilvers. 19 mins.
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Our City,
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:35
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LS 5 Ealing 10 Cov 12 Pury 7
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:38
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LS 5 Ealing 10 Cov 12 Pury 14
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:38
Cov 12-14 Hartpury. Penalty try. 31 mins. Cov now down to 14 men.
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Our City,
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:46
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LS 12 Ealing 10 ht Cov 12 Pury 14
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:47
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Scottish 12 (2T) - Ealing 10 (2T) HT - I am not there as volunteering today, but I cant imagine the half time thrashing Eaing willtake, having conceded a try just before the half.
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 15:51
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LS 12 Ealing 10 ht Cov 12 Pury 14 ht
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:12
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LS 12 Ealing 10 Cov 12 Pury 21
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:26
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It's all happening. Cov 22-21 Hartpury. Try Rigg, and con, and penalty Mitchell.
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Our City,
Our Club
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:33
Cov 22-28 (BP)Hartpury
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Our City,
Our Club
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:42
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22-35. I wonder what happened to the Cov of last season?
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Our City,
Our Club
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:43
And... 22-40
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Our City,
Our Club
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:48
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22-47 FFS
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Our Club
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:48
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Scottish 19 - Ealing 17 FT. Ealing allow tries to end each half. What the actual heck happened here?
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:53
29-47 FT. 1-5
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Our Club
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Posted By: maire23
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:53
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Well done Scottish!!! A magnificent piece of giant killing there.
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Posted By: Kimbo
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 16:54
I don't know which result I'm more amused by £
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Our City,
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 17:06
maire23 wrote:
Well done Scottish!!! A magnificent piece of giant killing there. |
...that's why they play the game. Still, that is abject from Ealing .
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Posted By: CR73
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 17:16
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Never saw that coming or did I? Watched Ealing @ Nottingham and though, let’s say professional, in seeing out the game for the win they never looked head and shoulders above them for all the money and ambition. So fair play to Scottish showing that this league is alive and kicking.
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 17:28
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Well done Scottish and an absolute shocker for Ealing. Also the surprise result against Coventry from Hartpury who Blues ran riot against.
Certainly gives Blues a boost, with the 1 loss so far against Ealing.
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Posted By: BigChief
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 17:30
Down at Tonbridge J v Dorking today and didnt see the game. Unexpected, nonetheless outstanding from London Scottish. Well done boys  Onwards and upwards. (Ps Brian Tuilagi on loan from L Scots to Dorking and played his part in a hard fought away win - wished I could have grabbed him for a chat in the bar  )
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Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 17:47
Result of Bedford Caldy going to disputes committee on Tuesday… Rumours are that pitch passed inspection but Caldy players refused to play. At the very least, they can pay for our travel if game rearranged…
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Championship Prediction League Winner 11/12
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 17:48
Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 17:56
Bluesman11 wrote:
Result of Bedford Caldy going to disputes committee on Tuesday… Rumours are that pitch passed inspection but Caldy players refused to play. At the very least, they can pay for our travel if game rearranged… |
I was debating going today but pleased I didn’t!
At least if the game went ahead the Caldy players would have kept warm running about. I saw on Twitter a few of the players went on the supporters coach to say thanks for coming and they wanted to play.
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 18:05
Well a bit of a shock weekend- hopefully the Knights can get one over on the Pirates (against recent years form Pirates have been rock solid at home against us)
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Posted By: Monkey Magic
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 18:20
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Maybe Ealing underestimated that the 10 DRs and 2 of the loanees today are vying for starting berths at Quins. The 3rd Loanee was from the Lions (Level 7) just on the bench to make up the numbers I assume and tick the front row box.
Either way bit of a slip and full marks to the LS players who got a game today
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Posted By: Exiled_Scots
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 18:49
Monkey Magic wrote:
Maybe Ealing underestimated that the 10 DRs and 2 of the loanees today are vying for starting berths at Quins. The 3rd Loanee was from the Lions (Level 7) just on the bench to make up the numbers I assume and tick the front row box.
Either way bit of a slip and full marks to the LS players who got a game today |
Amazing what a part time team that costs peanuts with great team spirit can achieve. 
Better that than spending a fortune on a team to just watch it go puff and no longer be around causing every team in the Championship this season to financially lose out by having to sit out two weekends.
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Watch Out - The Scottish Phoenix Club is on the Up!!
Seven down one to go
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Posted By: Exiled_Scots
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 19:06
gerg_861 wrote:
Ealing Trailfinders lineup to face London Scottish: Stronger side than I would have expected. Cornish gets his 100th cap if he comes on. 1 Will Goodrick-Clarke 2 Mike Willemse 3 Biyi Alo 4 Barney Maddison 5 Danny Cutmore 6 Ollie Newman 7 Simon Uzokwe 8 Will Montgomery 9 Craig Hampson 10 Craig Willis 11 Tom Collins 12 Billy Twelvetrees 13 Reuben Bird-Tulloch 14 Jonah Holmes 15 Cian Kelleher 16 Matt Cornish 17 Kyle Whyte 18 Ross Kane 19 Bobby De Wee 20 David Douglas Bridge 21 Jordan Burns 22 Max Bodilly 23 Richard Hardwick
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Clearly not strong enough to beat a part time team.
How much did that side cost to take the field today!!!
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Watch Out - The Scottish Phoenix Club is on the Up!!
Seven down one to go
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 19:17
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Statement from Caldy, https://caldyrugbyclub.com/2023/12/official-statement-caldy-v-bedford-blues/" rel="nofollow - LINK
regrets 'any inconvenience caused'. Well if I'd got up at, say, 6am and left home an hour later to catch a 7.30 supporters' coach from Goldington Road, gone all the way to Caldy and then no game had taken place, I'd class that as a certain amount of 'inconvenience'...
interesting to see if there's any fall-out from this: if the home club can show that the weather was much worse than forecast, that might count in their favour. but if they were just over-optimistic then there might be a ruling about paying travel expenses for the rearranged game. i see on twitteX that at one stage KO was put back from 2 to 2.15pm: chances of a frozen pitch thawing out at that time of day, in December, must be pretty remote...
well done LS & Hartpury on wins today
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Posted By: cheshire exile
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 19:42
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Pirates played at Caldy last season in an absolute blizzard. No reticence discernible from the home side then.
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Posted By: L33
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 21:00
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Was the pitch frozen then Peter?
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 21:08
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As mentioned the fixture will be reviewed at the Disputes Committee on Tuesday, 5 December, to confirm the outcome of the game.
https://x.com/champrugby/status/1731000989740589264?s=46&t=iFaFN_EdYt6o_fifBlDWcA" rel="nofollow - https://x.com/champrugby/status/1731000989740589264?s=46&t=iFaFN_EdYt6o_fifBlDWcA
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Posted By: gerg_861
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 21:48
Exiled_Scots wrote:
gerg_861 wrote:
Ealing Trailfinders lineup to face London Scottish: Stronger side than I would have expected. Cornish gets his 100th cap if he comes on. 1 Will Goodrick-Clarke 2 Mike Willemse 3 Biyi Alo 4 Barney Maddison 5 Danny Cutmore 6 Ollie Newman 7 Simon Uzokwe 8 Will Montgomery 9 Craig Hampson 10 Craig Willis 11 Tom Collins 12 Billy Twelvetrees 13 Reuben Bird-Tulloch 14 Jonah Holmes 15 Cian Kelleher 16 Matt Cornish 17 Kyle Whyte 18 Ross Kane 19 Bobby De Wee 20 David Douglas Bridge 21 Jordan Burns 22 Max Bodilly 23 Richard Hardwick
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Clearly not strong enough to beat a part time team.
How much did that side cost to take the field today!!! |
Too much. They should all be ashamed.
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Posted By: Cherub
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 22:02
I have absolutely nothing against the Ealing Trailfinders or Coventry, but I do think it is so refreshing for the league on the whole when the so called “bottom six” clubs beat the so called “top six” clubs. Well done London Scottish, and especially well done Hartpury. Who could have seen that coming!
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Posted By: TAS63
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 22:19
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Great results for London Scottish and Hartpury ....... it's almost like a real league isn't it :-)
Confused about the Caldy v Bedford game and next steps. Caldy statement talks about rescheduling, but the Championship Rugby twitter post suggests the Disputes Committee will decide the result. Presumably both can't be true, so anyone know what the rule actually is?
It would seem daft, in an already "fixture light" season, not to re-arrange the game .... after all that's what we all actually want to see not the rugby equivalent of the "pools panel".
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 22:34
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One question is whether Caldy correctly followed protocols? Was the pitch inspected on Friday, and if so, was there a reasonable prospect of play? If not, then Caldy could be liable to pay Bedford's travel costs.
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 23:15
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What I’ve seen, but whether it’s true
Caldy announced the game was on Blues were ready to play and were training on the pitch Referee had declared the pitch fit Some Caldy players refused to play
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 23:42
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Coventry ATT 3146
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2023 at 23:54
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Obviously, I was not there, I have no idea what the state of the pitch was. This is purely hypothetical.
Under regulation 8, 23, in the three hours up to kick off, the decision to play rests with the two captains and the referee. Where all three agree, the game can be played, then the game goes ahead, everyone is happy - except the losing side.
If either captain disagrees, the game is called off, but the referee's opinion on the pitch is sent to the organisers along with notice of postponement.
If the referee is not happy, the game is off. They have to send in a report as to why. But they are assumed to be acting in good faith.
The dispute committee can then take action. So, if the home Captain says the pitch is unplayable, then that is his right, the game is not played. Safety is of course paramount.
But if the referee says, the pitch was fine, it is more likely that the home club would have to pay the away club's expenses. If the referee agrees with the home captain, then the RFU has a hardship fund.
On the other hand, if the travelling team turn up and say, we will not play on that, the game does not go ahead. But if the ref says, the ground was in perfect condition - then there could be action taken against the travelling team. It has been known for a side struggling with injury to arrive and object to a pitch.
The home club should attempt to find an alternative venue, last season Sale moved their game against Cambridge from Edgeley Road to Carrington. Thank You, Sale, that proved critical to the season. Cambridge got the win. One more postponed match with the schedule pressure could have changed the season result.
If the match is called off early, swapping with the away side should be considered.
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Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 09:33
Based on the above, I believe both the referee and Bedford captain wanted to play but Caldy captain declined, hence the game being cancelled. It sounds like Caldy will be liable to pay our travel expenses for the rearranged fixture (rightly so), but suspect the committee on Tuesday needs to go through the referee report and formally adjudicate one it. The main issue is why were Caldy seemingly happy to play at 11, but not 2. I also think the Caldy statement not directly apologising to the travelling fans (only making reference to their own fans) is also poor form.
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Posted By: workerbee
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 10:27
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The decision to call of the game was a difficult one, there had been frosts every night from Wednesday but they were cleaded by the sun each day and the pitch was playable at 2.00pm On Thursday and Friday. Unfortunately on Saturday there as more Cloud although the sun did come out and the pitch lost the top frost and it was expected to be playable by 2.00pm but at about 12.00 heavy cloud prevented the expected thaw and there were still a number of areas which were dangerously hard and the team decided that there was a danger to them, incurring serious Injuries, possibly Career ending. For Caldy, who are semi professional players at best, their health and careers outside the game comes first. Please look at the Caldy Website where the club has made a sincere apology to both Home and travelling fans but I am sure you will agree that in this litigious age Health and Safety comes first.
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 10:39
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I was at the game so I can perhaps share some light on the circumstances:
1. A heavy frost on Wednesday night resulted in a frozen pitch on Thursday morning but full sun on Thursday resulted in a full pitch thaw by midday Thursday.
2. The same circumstances were in place Thursday night and Friday with the pitch fully thawed by midday Friday.
3. The BBC weather forecast for Friday night and Saturday morning was virtually identical to Wednesday through Friday with full sun expected on Saturday.
4. I arrived at the ground at midday and the frost was no longer on the pitch. However, Saturday morning had been unexpectedly overcast and the cloud cover and the light seemed to have gotten worse when I emerged from lunch at about 1.45 pm.
5. The game had been scheduled to kick off at 2pm and I was somewhat confused by the news that kick off was to be delayed by 15 minutes to 2.15 pm because I couldn't see much prospect of any improvement in conditions.
6. Shortly after 2.20 pm I heard the announcement that the game was not going to be played.
7. There was virtually no rugby played in the North West yesterday
I don't know how the decision not to play was arrived at but I live about half a mile from the club and when I got back home at about 2.30 pm my front lawn (which doesn't get full sun as it is shaded by trees) was still as frozen as it had been shortly before midday.
Caldy's Paton Field gets full sun and if the sun had appeared as forecast the pitch would have been perfectly playable. In my view the unexpected cloud cover was the culprit.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 12:01
workerbee wrote:
it was expected to be playable by 2.00pm but at about 12.00 heavy cloud prevented the expected thaw and there were still a number of areas which were dangerously hard and the team decided that there was a danger to them, incurring serious Injuries, possibly Career ending. For Caldy, who are semi professional players at best, their health and careers outside the game comes first.
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weird thing to say; seems to imply that a 'career ending' injury might somehow be worse for a semi-pro player than a fully-pro player...  |
Posted By: Elijah Cadman
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 12:09
Camquin wrote:
Obviously, I was not there, I have no idea what the state of the pitch was. This is purely hypothetical.
Under regulation 8, 23, in the three hours up to kick off, the decision to play rests with the two captains and the referee. Where all three agree, the game can be played, then the game goes ahead, everyone is happy - except the losing side.
If either captain disagrees, the game is called off, but the referee's opinion on the pitch is sent to the organisers along with notice of postponement.
If the referee is not happy, the game is off. They have to send in a report as to why. But they are assumed to be acting in good faith.
The dispute committee can then take action. So, if the home Captain says the pitch is unplayable, then that is his right, the game is not played. Safety is of course paramount.
But if the referee says, the pitch was fine, it is more likely that the home club would have to pay the away club's expenses. If the referee agrees with the home captain, then the RFU has a hardship fund.
On the other hand, if the travelling team turn up and say, we will not play on that, the game does not go ahead. But if the ref says, the ground was in perfect condition - then there could be action taken against the travelling team. It has been known for a side struggling with injury to arrive and object to a pitch.
The home club should attempt to find an alternative venue, last season Sale moved their game against Cambridge from Edgeley Road to Carrington. Thank You, Sale, that proved critical to the season. Cambridge got the win. One more postponed match with the schedule pressure could have changed the season result.
If the match is called off early, swapping with the away side should be considered.
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Protocol is; Upto 3 hours before kick of an RFU official inspects state of pitch. They deem playable or not. From 3 hours before KO captains and referee. If any and all decide either way that's the decision. If split decision referee will not deem game can happen.
If a team is travelling day before or early the RFU official will take into consideration state of pitch and weather forecast.
It's as simple as that.
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Posted By: The Blues
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 12:54
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Blues are also semi-professional but I do understand that an injury may mean that they might not be able to do their day job but that risk is taken every time they go on the pitch irrespective to pitch conditions.
I heard the Blues squad were training for 30 mins on the pitch ready to go.
Blues were also told that the game should go ahead next Saturday which isn’t going to happen.
The bigger question is why does our division not have some form of minimum standards, at Blues frost covers would be on, blow torches and patio heaters would be on the pitch to sort any areas of concern. I can’t remember the last time Blues have cancelled a game, as everything is done to get the game on.
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Posted By: Bluesman11
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 13:28
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I do agree that at Championship level, floodlights should be expected.
Bedford have just put out a very brief statement:
“We are extremely disappointed and frustrated that yesterday’s game against Caldy at Paton Field was cancelled at the very last minute. We thank our tremendous supporters who made the long journey north and will keep you informed of any outcome following Tuesday’s meeting of the RFU disputes committee.”
It does sound like we are going to argue to be awarded the win. From what other posters have put on here, it sounds like that isn’t the likely outcome though.
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Posted By: islander
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 13:34
The Blues wrote:
Blues were also told that the game should go ahead next Saturday which isn’t going to happen.
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why not? wouldn't that count as the next available weekend?
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 13:37
islander wrote:
The Blues wrote:
Blues were also told that the game should go ahead next Saturday which isn’t going to happen.
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why not? wouldn't that count as the next available weekend? |
It's a blank weekend, thought that's what they were put in for
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Posted By: Big Eddie
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 13:45
The Blues wrote:
The bigger question is why does our division not have some form of minimum standards, at Blues frost covers would be on, blow torches and patio heaters would be on the pitch to sort any areas of concern. I can’t remember the last time Blues have cancelled a game, as everything is done to get the game on.
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Caldy is a village club that has risen from level 8 using their own players and without reliance on dual reg players from Premiership clubs. They are in the Championship on merit and in my opinion it would not be equitable to prevent them participating in the Championship because they cannot afford floodlights or frost covers......
Similarly it is against the spirit of rugby not to allow Caldy to aim for the Premiership because they don't have a 10,000 seater stand
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Posted By: Camquin
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 14:01
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There have been cases of games being rescheduled for one week later. It happened to Cambridge playing at Plymouth a few seasons ago.
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Posted By: KnightsBoy
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 14:18
Camquin wrote:
There have been cases of games being rescheduled for one week later. It happened to Cambridge playing at Plymouth a few seasons ago.
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A few years ago due to weather postponements Donny played twice a week [Saturday then Wednesday] over a 5 or 6 week period. I'm sure my learned friend John Lowe can cast more light on this.
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 14:34
Pirates 0 - 7 Knights 2 minutes
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 14:38
Pirates 0 - 14 Knights 6 minutes
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 14:51
Pirates 7 - 14 Knights 19 minutes
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 14:54
Pirates 7 - 17 Knights 23 minutes
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 14:59
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Muddy conditions but playable.
Can see scrums being difficult with mud clogging up the studs but same for both sides.
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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Posted By: castleparknight
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2023 at 15:07
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Pirates 14 - 17 Knights
Pick and goes from a mauled lineout
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Onward and Upwards C'mon Donny!
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